Guide to the Civilian Conservation Corp ( CCC) Oral History Project
1933-1942 (bulk)

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Title: Civilian Conservation Corp ( CCC) Oral History Project
Dates: 1933-1942 ( bulk )
Quantity: 23 oral history interviews (33 audio cassettes, 581pp. of transcripts and other documentation)
Collection Number: Civilian Conservation Corp ( CCC)—Heyburn State Park Oral History Project
Summary: The bulk of this project was conducted from 1993 to 1995 by Oral Historian Linda Morton-Keithley and Architectural Historian Lauren McCroskey of the Idaho State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO). The purpose of the project was to document the development and the construction of Heyburn State Park as undertaken by the CCC in the 1930’s, and other CCC sites in Idaho.
Repository: Idaho State Historical Society
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Boise, ID 83712-8250
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Languages: English 

Historical Note

The Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) was established on March 21, 1933 by Franklin Delano Roosevelt as part of the national effort to combat unemployment during the Great Depression. The program, which was active in building state parks, developing historical sites, and building wilderness roads and bridges, declined in the late 1930s and finally dissolved after Congress decided not to extend its funding in 1942. In the 1930’s, the Civilian Conservation Corp used Heyburn State Park as a camp and built numerous buildings for the park. Created in 1908, the park is the oldest state park in the Pacific Northwest. Located south of Coeur d’Alene, it is comprised of 2,300 acres of water and 5,000 acres of land. Before the land became a park, the Coeur d’Alene Indian tribe used the general area as a gathering place.

Narrators discussed their experiences with the CCC, including their reasons for signing up, camp structure and discipline, job assignments, off-duty activities and community relations, and life after the CCC. Most narrators joined the CCC in an effort to make some money and gain skills and experience that would enable them to make a living. Many enrollees had no job prospects, were supporting family, or were trying to save up for marriage. The CCC issued them clothing, free room and board, and paid them at least a dollar per day. Enrollees sent sent most of the money directly to their parents. Before enrolling, the boys had to interview, take a physical, and get vaccinations. They were usually not informed where they would be working.

CCC camps were considered military service until about 1941 when they were reclassified as civil service. The camps had a military structure with fairly strict discipline. The physical camps were run by a company commander supplied by the Army, while the Technical Services Director, typically a member of the Forest Service, ran work duty. Enrollees were quartered in military style barracks which held up to forty people. There was a roll call in the morning and regular inspections, but few drills. The food was starchy and high calorie, since the work was often heavy labor. Discipline was an important aspect of the CCC. Ordinary disputes were often handled in the boxing ring, while serious offences, such as theft or contracting venereal disease, were reasons for dishonorable discharge. Camps typically consisted of enrollees from the same part of the country, i.e. all New Yorkers or all Midwesterners. There was a considerable cultural difference between Easterners and Westerners, especially since many from the East had never lived in a rural area. Several interviewees characterized the Easterners as naïve and unused to manual labor. New Yorkers were typically perceived as quarrelsome and prone to destroying equipment. Some characterized Easterners as parolees and school dropouts. While there were minorities in some of the camps, African Americans and Native Americans were typically segregated into separate camps in the later 1930s.

Work assignments were determined by interview. Work included building and grading roads, constructing bridges and dams, firefighting, snow plowing, dynamiting rock, sandbagging, and building campgrounds. Many tasks were executed using temporary “spike” camps. Camp enrollees also performed supportive jobs such as running supplies, transportation, cooking etc. Special challenges included run-ins with wildlife such as bears and wild horses, difficult weather conditions, and work accidents due to blasting or other heavy equipment. Enrollees signed up for the CCC for six months and could renew for up to three years. Some people lied about their age or signed up under a different name to be able to work longer. Most enrollees enjoyed rapid advancement.

Opportunities for recreation included dances, parties, and sports. Enrollees played cards, gambled, and listened to the radio. The boys also went fishing and hunting for elk, deer, and bear. Some even went prospecting for gold. Many camps had impromptu movie theaters. Each camp had a camp library as well as an educational advisor who facilitated a variety of educational opportunities, including high school and college courses. These classes included basic academics, such as reading and writing, as well as type writing and cooking. About 30% of the enrollees made use of these classes, though many were too tired to study after a day of manual labor. Many of the enrollees were sexually active. The camps even drew prostitutes on paydays who camped out with a mattress in a truck. Campers were careful to avoid certain girls who were known to carry diseases. One interviewee mentioned the camp leaders showing World War II movies about venereal disease as a deterrent.

After the CCC dissolved, many of the enrollees joined the military, which was a good fit due to the similar command structure and the skills the enrollees had acquired. Most interviewees expressed their satisfaction with their experiences in the CCC, including the positive effect of the strict discipline and close company of other young people. Several mentioned the CCC as a key learning experience enabling them to have discipline and work hard, deal with others, and resolve conflicts.

Content Description

The Civilian Conservation Corp ( CCC) Oral History Collection consists of tape-recorded interviews, transcripts, personal data records, indexes, summaries, and signed release forms from 23 interviews with people who were employed by the Civilian Conservation Corp ( CCC) during the 1930s and 40s. The interviews were collected primarily between 1993 and 1995 by Linda Morton-Keithley and Lauren McCroskey, with some help from Tracy Stephens, Sandra Hansen, William Tydeman, and Susan Karaba.

Use of the Collection

Restrictions on Access :  

Collection is available for research

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Copyright held by Idaho State Historical Society

Administrative Information

Related Materials :  

See the numerous other research materials with the ISHS Public Archives & Research Library, including the general book collection, vertical files, microfilmed camp newsletters and camp inspection reports, manuscript materials, and photographs for additional information about the Civilian Conservation Corp, its employees, and its projects.


Detailed Description of the Collection

The following section contains a detailed listing of the materials in the collection.

OH 1194: Barbour, C.R. “Bob,” (narrator)
2 cassettes (42 leaves)
Before joining the Forest Service to watch for fires and do trail work, Bob Barbour worked at an orchard doing a variety of farm work. Hired as a foreman for the CCC crew with the beginning of the CCC program, Barbour worked with a crew of city boys from New York and New Jersey and encountered a variety of difficulties in training them for forest work and road building. He compared the Eastern boys unfavorably with locals and said the Westerners were much harder workers. Barbour described his life in remote locations after returning to wilderness patrol after his year with the CCC. Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 13 July 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
13 July 1993
OH 1195: Blood, Fred, (narrator)
1 cassette (27 leaves)
Fred Blood joined the CCC in 1935 after graduating from high school. Initially employed doing blister rust work, Blood later became a cook. Interview topics included details of food preparation, the logistics of ordering and storing supplies, available educational activities, practical jokes played on camp mates, camp and work discipline, and the difficulties encountered by New Jersey enrollees in adjusting to a rural environment, particularly fire fighting. Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 26 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
26 Aug. 1993
OH 1196: Earling, Virgil, (narrator)
1 cassette (21 leaves)
Virgil Earling worked for the CCC from 1936 to 1940, when an accident forced him to quit. Earling worked a variety of jobs, including manual labor, baking, office work, and driving a truck. On the side, he altered clothes for camp enrollees for a small fee. Interview topics also included the camp educational program, where Earling learned civil engineering, sports matches between camps, available medical care, and the layout of his camp.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 26 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
26 Aug. 1993
OH 1197: Fenstermacher, Nelson, (narrator)
1 cassette (25 leaves)
Nelson Fenstermacher joined the CCC in 1933 to get out of the illegal business of running bootleg whiskey. After serving a six-month term in California and returning to Ohio due to homesickness, Fenstermacher signed up again and was assigned to a soil conservation camp in Moscow, Idaho. During his time in the CCC, he supervised a dynamite crew as a lead man and learned mechanics, a skill he continued to use in civilian life. Other interview topics included details of the soil conservation program, fights between University of Idaho football players and enrollees, some racial issues Fenstermacher encountered in the California camp, the diversity of his own camp, which was largely from the Midwest, and his learning experiences in meeting the challenges of camp work.Interviewed by Lauren McCroskey on 26 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
26 Aug. 1993
OH 1198: Hart, Kenneth, (narrator)
1 cassette (21 leaves)
Kenneth Hart signed up with the CCC after doing some farm work. Within his CCC camp, Hart worked his way up to assistant leader and did a variety of manual labor, including logging, road construction, and fire fighting. Interview topics included the structure and amenities of his camp, available school courses and sports activities, details of work done, work accidents, and interaction with other camps.Interviewed by Lauren McCroskey on 26 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
26 Aug. 1993
OH 1199: Kellner, Milsen, (narrator)
1 cassette (17 leaves)
Milsen Kellner joined the CCC due to job scarcity. Initially assigned to work in a rock quarry, Kellner was soon reassigned to the kitchen where he worked his way up to cook. Topics included typical meals prepared; logistical details pertaining to scheduling, food preparation, and budgeting supplies; educational courses taken; leisure activities; practical jokes among the enrollees; and conflicts between loggers and enrollees when in town. Kellner continued to use his cooking skills after enlisting in the Army in 1940 and later as a civilian before becoming a plumber. Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 27 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
27 Aug. 1993
OH 1200: Pfeiffer, Clyde M., (narrator)
1 cassette (15 leaves)
Clyde Pfeiffer decided to join the CCC after becoming acquainted with some enrollees from a local New York camp. After being assigned to an all-Idaho camp in Chatcolet Pfeiffer worked in the woods, cutting cord wood and selling it in town. Later he worked in a blacksmith shop doing odd jobs and learning to work with metal. Other interview topics included the CCC military structure and discipline, fire fighting by CCC enrollees, the camaraderie among CCC boys, leisure activities, and medical care available at camp.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 26 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
26 Aug. 1993
OH 1201: Williams, Clifford, (narrator)
1 cassette (23 leaves)
Clifford Williams joined the CCC due to the scarcity of available jobs in 1934. He was located near Lewiston, Riggins, and Boise throughout his enrollment and worked in trail building and cutting timber, as well as working as a clerk and truck driver. Other topics included a description of a typical camp, socializing between CCC camps, and leisure activities. After leaving the CCC, Williams went to Lewiston Normal School, became a school teacher, and was in the Coast Guard during World War II. Interviewed by Lauren McCroskey on 27 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
27 Aug. 1993
OH 1202: Wozny, Raymond, (narrator)
1 cassette (19 leaves)
Raymond Wozny enlisted with the CCC in 1937 and again in 1938 after having limited success at going back to school. He worked as assistant crew leader building fences, pouring foundations, fighting fires, and even doing dike work during a flood. He described a typical day in the CCC and off-duty activities. Many members of his all-Idaho camp went home on weekends. He also mentioned a nearby New York camp whose enrollees were afraid of fighting fires and the existence of an all colored camp nearby.Interviewed by Lauren McCroskey on 26 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
26 Aug. 1993
OH 1209: Rhodes, Kenneth, (narrator)
1 cassette (23 leaves)
Kenneth Rhodes remembered joining the CCC around 1934 after determining he did not want to be farmer. After becoming ill from the powder used in construction, he was assigned to cooking and quickly advanced to first cook. Rhodes described purchasing groceries, the division of labor in preparing camp food, writing menus, and cooking for the officers. A member of a camp that consisted of Idahoans and other Westerners, Rhodes’ only experience with minorities was with Italian New Yorkers who “didn’t know dirt from a tree.” Other topics included the discipline structure of the camps and the work performed at the various construction sites of the CCC. After 1944, Rhodes worked in a saw mill and joined the Marines in 1964.Interviewed by Sandra Hansen on 19 Apr. 1994 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
19 Apr. 1994
OH 1210: Enslow, Charles, (narrator)
2 cassettes (25 leaves)
Charles Enslow remembered building wooden furniture with his father during his childhood in Boise. He joined the CCC in 1935 because he was too skinny to enlist in the Navy. Enslow worked as a blaster handling explosives and rapidly advanced in the ranks to become a leader. Interview topics included CCC wages, blasting safety and accidents, camp discipline, and Enslow’s efforts at building furniture for the camp recreation hall.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 28 Feb. 1994 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
28 Feb. 1994
OH 1243: Payne, Holland, (narrator)
2 cassettes (43 leaves)
Holland Payne enlisted with the CCC in 1936 to make a better living after supporting his parents and himself on paper routes. He described the enlistment process, the four-day train ride to Idaho, the local rattlesnakes and their uses as food and belts, his work as a teacher assistant and clerk in a camp of Midwesterners, and recreation activities for enrollees such as sports, dances in Ketchum, and the Boise red light district. Payne was especially interested in baseball and was active as a writer and editor of the camp newsletter and a contributor of articles to the local papers. After the CCC, Payne attended college, married, and joined the Navy.Interviewed by William Tydeman on 13 July 1994 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
13 July 1994
OH 1244: McConnell, Harold A., (narrator)
2 cassettes (39 leaves)
Harold McConnell talked of his life as a CCC enrollee between 1934 and 1942 and his Army experience doing maintenance and repair beginning in 1942. Citing the scarcity of jobs McConnell joined the CCC with several friends, all from Idaho. He described the hard manual labor done by his camp, which consisted of Idahoans, and contrasted their work ethic with a problem camp of quarrelsome New Yorkers. Other topics include a prostitute called Diamond Tooth Lil and typical recreation opportunities for CCC enrollees such as card playing, the camp library, gambling, prospecting for gold, or visiting Salmon’s three dance halls. Interviewed by William Tydeman on 6 Aug. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
6 Aug. 1993
OH 1245: Sexton, Cramer, (narrator)
2 cassettes (70 leaves)
Cramer Sexton related his experiences as a CCC enrollee in Boise from 1939 to 1941 and as a soldier in Europe during World War II. Topics included his early life on a farm, his train trip west, his various jobs in the CCC, his impressions of Boise, a description of enrollees’ quarters and CCC camp structure, as well as available recreation activities, building the Lake Lowell dam, and the economies of Idaho, Tennessee, and Ohio when Sexton enrolled. Drafted into the army, Sexton served in England, France, and Germany during World War II and described his battle experiences, including an unexpected reunion with an army friend he had believed dead.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 27 Oct. 1992 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
27 Oct. 1992
OH 1246: Kurdy, John, (narrator)
1 cassette (37 leaves)
John Kurdy discussed his experiences as a Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) company commander at several different Grazing Service camps in Utah and Idaho from 1937 to 1942. As the man in charge of the camp outside of work hours, Kurdy described the people who helped him run the camp. Topics mentioned included leisure activities, the difference in the discipline and education levels of eastern and western boys, the benefits CCC enrollees reaped from their experience, both in terms of pay and training and in terms of personal growth. According to Kurdy, many CCC enrollees were drafted for World War II and did well due to their prior experience in the CCC. Interviewed by Susan Karaba on 1 Apr. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
1 Apr. 1993
OH 1254: Lormar, Cyril (narrator)
1 cassette (26 leaves)
Cyril Lormar discussed his experiences as a Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) employee beginning in 1932. As a native Idahoan, Lormar took a leading role in a camp consisting largely of Easterners inexperienced with manual labor. Topics included leisure activities, camp work and the equipment used in building roads and bridges, problems with wildlife, camp enrollees’ pay and other benefits, and their personal growth during their enrollment.Interviewed by Tracy Stephens on 8 Apr. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
8 Apr. 1993
OH 1255: Berry, Max, (narrator)
2 cassettes (41 leaves)
Max Berry discussed his experiences in the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) from 1936 to 1941. He served in Emmett, Kuna/Meridian and Boise. Berry talked about his job assignment in food management, leisure activities, prejudices in Emmett due to the rape-murder of a local girl by a camp enrollee, his work as a truck driver delivering supplies to CCC camps, and his later work after CCC dissolved. Berry also listed a number of CCC camps in the Boise area, spoke of the reasons people enrolled, the benefits he himself reaped from the experience, and the reasons why many CCC enrollees were dishonorably dischargedInterviewed by Tracy Stephens on 19 Apr. 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
19 Apr. 1993
OH 1256: Anderson, Albert “Andy,” (narrator)
3 cassettes (66 leaves)
Andy Anderson discussed his experiences as an educational advisor for the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) in Idaho, Wyoming, and Oregon from 1935 to 1942. Anderson detailed his efforts to find competent instructors and good materials for the CCC boys, while developing curricula that were helpful to them. Other topics included differences between the cultures of the East and West United States, former camp enrollees joining the military during World War II, leisure activities and sports competitions, special challenges in camp life, and the military style management of the camps.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 27 Sept. 1995 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
27 Sept. 1995
OH 2136: Eddy, Albert “A. J.” (narrator)
2 cassettes
A.J. Eddy spoke of his Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) experiences during the 1930s and 1940s. Initially from New Jersey, Eddy served in Milford, Delaware for a year working in mosquito control and the camp infirmary, before moving West with his company to work in Idaho and Montana driving a truck. Other interviews topics included: classes taken through the CCC, some difficulties with a supervising officer, and the lack of opportunities for entertainment and socializing. After living in Montana for a few years and getting married, Eddy re-enrolled as a sergeant, serving a total of six years.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 14 Apr. 1995 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
14 Apr. 1995
OH 2137: Eier, Doug, (narrator) DeGraf, Archie, (narrator) Sly, Don, (narrator) Williams, Earl, (narrator)
2 cassettes
Doug Eier, Archie DeGraf, Don Sly, and Don Williams discussed their Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) experiences during the 1930s and 1940s. Topics discussed included various Western camps, camp amenities, recreation activities, agencies involved in running CCC camps, minorities in CCC camps, relationship with local communities, camp pets, practical jokes, camp discipline, and reasons for discharge.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 5 Oct. 1995 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
5 Oct. 1995
OH 2138: Seavey, Bob, (narrator)
2 cassettes
Bob Seavey joined the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) after growing up in Boise and working at the Chinese Gardens. He belonged to the Idaho camp that built the road to Arrowrock Dam. Seavey worked in the kitchen after becoming ill doing road work and seeding. He described details of food preparation, the camp’s work, and extra-curricular activities. After serving a six-month term, Seavey returned to doing odd jobs in Garden City. The interview included his experiences with a sizeable Chinese community during the 1930s and 1940s.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 20 Jan. 1994 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
20 Jan. 1994
OH 2139: Sterbenz, Edwin, (narrator)
1 cassette
Edwin Sterbenz offered his memories of his time enrolled in the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC), as well as other aspects of his life. Hall enrolled in the CCC in 1939 after working as a vegetable peddler in Wichita, Kansas. Topics included his experiences with a road building camp in Pierce, Idaho, other nearby camps, camp structure, work accidents, and his personal transformation due to the program. Hall also remembered training with the Army during World War II and credited many of his later successes to his learning experiences in the CCC.Interviewed by Tracy Stephens on 3 May 1993 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
3 May 1993
OH 2146: Hall, Arthur, (narrator)
1 cassette
Arthur Hall joined the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) around 1934 and served for two years at the French Creek camp north of Burgdorf, Idaho. Initially assigned to a road crew, where he cut fire wood and ran a jack hammer, Hall got dust pneumonia. After recovering, Hall was put in charge of medical supplies for the camps in the Boise district. He discussed the uneasy relationship between his mostly Northwestern camp and a nearby camp with enrollees from the East. Topics also included medical problems, medical services for enrollees, and dance halls and other entertainment venues in Boise like the Natatorium and “Danceland,” After the CCC, Hall joined the Boise, Idaho, and Farragut Naval Training Stations. Hall also detailed his post- CCC work as a carpenter in various shipyards, and his work in the construction of Gowen Field.Interviewed by Linda Morton-Keithley on 5 Apr. 1995 under the auspices of the Idaho State Historical Society as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps ( CCC) Oral History Project.
5 Apr. 1995

Subjects

This collection is indexed under the following headings in the online catalog. Researchers desiring materials about related topics, persons, or places should search the catalog using these headings.

  • Geographical Names :
  • Boise (Idaho)
  • Boise (Idaho)--History--Sources
  • Cambridge (Idaho)--History--Sources
  • Chatcolet (Idaho)--History
  • Council (Idaho)--History--Sources
  • Idaho--History--Sources
  • Mesa (Idaho)--History--Sources
  • Moscow (Idaho)--History--Sources
  • Pierce (Idaho)
  • Subject Terms :
  • Arrowrock Dam (Idaho)
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--History--Sources
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--Idaho
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--Idaho--History
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--Montana
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--Oregon
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--Social conditions
  • Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.)--Wyoming
  • Farragut Naval Training Station (Idaho)
  • Forest fires--Idaho--History--Sources
  • Forest rangers--Idaho--History--Sources
  • Idaho--Politics and government--History--Sources
  • Orchards--Idaho--History--Sources
  • Prostitution--Idaho--History
  • World War, 1939-1945--United States

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